Wednesday, 30 May 2012

Racist Propaganda on MBC

Some of my friends on Facebook had linked to this video on their walls. They expressed a great deal of distaste over it, so I was curious as to what it was about. Fortunately someone had posted a translation under it, so I could follow along.

It quickly came clear I wouldn’t really require that translation, because the video was exceedingly blunt. It was racist clap-trap; the type I am all-too familiar with over here in Korea. Its subject matter supposedly exposed just how dangerous foreign men were to Korean women. It’s a nasty stereotype that just won’t die away, and it’s part of the reason why E-2 Visa holders in Korea require HIV tests before teaching.

I figured this video deserved a wider audience, so I took the liberty to download it myself, and then painstakingly added English subtitles to it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you MBC’s The Shocking Reality About Relationships With Foreigners.



Will it ever end?

This type of BS is exceedingly hurtful. It creates an air of distrust between foreigners and Koreans. It attempts to shame Korean women into staying away from foreign men. It damages Korea’s international image.

The country is expected to host the 2018 winter Olympics, and yet programing such as this continues to be produced.

For those of you who think this is just a problem with MBC, I beg to differ. Here is a video I shot myself in 2010 with an immigration official talking about rising foreign crime rates and the need for HIV testing:

The attitude goes far beyond MBC

If you need help understanding the why of it all, I direct you to another blogger: Gusts of Popular Feeling.
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As was noted, the video was translated before I got to it. The subtitles differ a bit, but here is the original translation. People have asked for it, so they can make their own YouTube videos:
Translation: MBC ‘세상보기 시시각각’s "The Shocking Reality About Relationships with Foreigners"
Voice 1:“If I say "I'm an American", I have no trouble with trying to meet women in Korea."

Voice 2: "I became pregnant."

Voice 3: "I tested positive for HIV"

Narration: As the days go by, the foreign population in Korea is increasing, and it causes an inconvenient truth as Korean women are trying to hang out with foreigners in Korea. We covered this news story.

Sub: (Title: "The Shocking Reality About Relationships with Foreigners")

Narration: A foreign participant who has recently become famous from a Korean audition tv program "Superstar Korea" has caused controversy on fraud charges and for being involved with many Korean women. A moral about foreigners who live in Korea has become a social issue.

Sub: Fraud, A sex scandal.....

Narration: We went to a place where we can meet foreigners easily. In that place, we can find couples who look like foreign men and Korean women walking all over the streets with daring intimacy.

Sub: Compromising scenes are happening all over the place.....

Sub: in a club...

Narration: We went to a club that is popular for many Korean women. We can see many couples who are physically affectionate there, making onlookers uncomfortable. This is like the compromising physical intimacy as seen in films.

Sub: It seems natural for them to have physical contact (with foreigners)....

Narration: Do you think that their relationship is based upon trust or just curiosity?

Foreign man 1: “If I say "I'm an American", I have no trouble with trying to meet women in Korea."

Foreign man 2: "She came to the bar to meet me and my friend. (indistinguishable) and then the next day, we woke up and she left and it was all well and good. And that night she called me 27 times in less than 30 minutes.”

Narration: What makes Korean women open their mind so easily to foreign men?

Junsung Park (Professor of Psychological Rehabilitation, at Korea Nazarene University): In comparison to dating Korean men , there are fewer opportunities to date foreign men. So, it is important for Korean women to develop a relationship with foreign men rapidly.

Narration: A Korean woman is trying to catch a cab. Later, a foreign man is approaching her. In a few minutes, they are in the romantic mood like an old couple.

Sub: In less than 10 minutes, their intimacy develops as if they are an old couple.
What do foreign men think about Korean women?

Foreign man 3: Korean girls are beautiful. (edit) I'm open minded so—(edit) (indistinguishable) stupid because you've never slept with a Korean. (edit) I come to the clubs and I'm going to get one later.

Korean Woman: Some Korean women are trying to meet foreign men to learn English but foreign men meet Korean women with a different purpose. I think that's why the relationship can't last long.

Sub: Physical contact is accomplished very easily.

Narration: Moreover, some Korean women who are interested in foreign men are trying to date with foreign men frequently. For this type of women, some foreign men make bad comments about Korean women. Therefore, other innocent Korean women suffer a lot from that. The problem is there is no place to appeal to for these women who are victims of foreigners.

Sub: Korean women are like a fast food.

Sub: “Help me, I was swindled by a foreigner"

Sub: Women being sexually assaulted by foreigners are increasing.

One reporter was trying to contact these victims of foreigners.

Victim 1: hello?

Reporter: hi, I am calling from MBC ‘세상보기 시시각각’ production team.

Victim 1: What's your business?

Reporter: We called because we heard you were the victim of a foreigner.

Victim 1: I have nothing to say about that.

Victim 2: I don't know what you're talking about.

Victim 3: That’s not true.

Narration: Most of the victims avoid telling the truth.

Victim 4 (for the victim, changed voice and scene): I became pregnant so I called him and told him about my pregnancy. Then he was trying to avoid my phone calls, telling me he was busy. A few days later, I called him again and the number was unavailable.

Korean man: (Talking about (Korean female) friend who met a foreigner at a foreigners club): She said she lent (her foreign boyfriend) 3,000,000 won. It was her key money for her monthly rental. Her boyfriend took her money and disappeared. This money issue doesn't surprise me at all...

Korean man (continued): One person wanted to talk to me. (After having a relationship with a foreign boyfriend), she went to the hospital to check her health. The doctor said that there was something wrong with her blood. He said he wanted to retest her blood, so she got her blood tested again, Don't be shocked... She was HIV positive.

Sub: At night, young Korean people and foreigners mingle in the street.
Narration: Most of the foreigners who were dating with Korean female victims disappeared without a trace directly after the event, so Korean female victims have to deal with all of the damages and remaining loss.

Junsung Park, Professor of Psychological Rehabilitation, at Korea Nazarene University: The foreign population in Korea will be increasing now and forever. Because of this growth, I think we should think critically about foreigners and keep thinking about this problem. Korean society should consider this problem too.

Narration: There are only a few uncomfortable cultures of affection that cause problems in Korea. It is now time that we formed proper and wholesome relationships with the opposite sex.

143 comments:

  1. Can you post the MBC video to youtube? I'd like to share it, but not publicly.

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    1. You can share this blog entry, or the video itself from the CN Facebook page.

      I'm not going to put it on YouTube, because MBC will just take it down, like they did with the blackface clips. If someone else wants to, go right ahead. You can download the video with keepvid.com. You can plug this URL into it: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=919852452099

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    2. A friend of mine took the liberty to post it on his channel for all those interested:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNHYYrvMrk

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    3. I think it is great & wish other countries felt the same. Consider the detrimental effect of immigrants on the UK etc. I applaud MBC & it is brilliant that their objective is to preserve their society & not have foreigners with their women. England etc would have been sparred a lot of crime & pain if we took a stronger stance. People just feel they should moan & shout 'racist' when it is not that at all. So, many sheep believe 'oh others say it is racist so it must be bad'. Also, we are guests here & no one is forcing us to stay. Fantastic job MBC!!!

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    4. Too much dumb to even bother typing out a full reply.

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    6. "it is brilliant that their objective is to preserve their society & not have foreigners with their women."

      Is an admirable sentiment, then? Not a troll comment waiting for someone to take the bait?

      As for the benefit to me, there isn't any. I did not upload this video to YouTube, someone else did. I uploaded it to Facebook. The person who uploaded it is not a YouTube partner, so they won't be making money off it either.

      I merely added the subtitles to the original video, as I stated. It only took off when the Marmot's Hole linked to my blog. I hardly maintain a big enough audience to single-handily make something go viral.

      In regards to the monster that cannot be contained, interest has greatly diminished since Thursday.

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  2. thanks for the subs!

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    1. No problem. The translation was from someone else, and not mine. I edited it slightly to help clean up the grammar.

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  3. Thanks for all the sub work. It's such a shame that so many rely on Yellow Journalism, rather than actually researching fact.s

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    1. Thanks, Steve. It's a shame all right.

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  4. I thought the video was spot on and documented the westerners attitude and treatment of Koreans quite well. I know that Michael Stevens wrote about 2 Americans who fled to America to avoid their responsibility after impregnating two Korean women.

    I also know of others who use and abuse Korean women just to get sex and have no intention of treating them properly or having a meaningful relationship with them.

    The westerner is the guest in this country and they should act accordingly. Western immorality is not wanted here and it should not be practiced in this country.

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    1. Because those righteous korean men don't do the exact same thing all over asia right?

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    2. >The westerner is the guest in this country and they should act accordingly. Western immorality is not wanted here and it should not be practiced in this country.<

      We must only have Korean immorality here!

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    3. So Korean immorality is OK, then? Great - let's all head to the 호빠 or the room salons! Even better, let's ensure the men don't use condoms and the women don't get STD tested. I'll be waiting for the stats on that one.

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    4. Don't be so stupid. *People* are immoral. You can literally buy sex in Korea. It's everywhere. Koreans are buying it. Sorry pal, but please grow up.

      Yes. The Westerner is a visitor here, but remember please that open doors have allowed you the World Cup and Olympics too. Moreover, YOUR government invited teachers here. Have some accountability and imagination.

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    5. There are bad people in every country but that gives no excuse to be racist you idiot.

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    6. And without Western influence, your country would still be a shithole.

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    7. Ladies and gents, don't feed the trolls. Just ignore them.

      And there's no point sinking to the level of MBC with the taunts.

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    8. Korean men do the same shit!

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    9. I'm married to a Korean man and I've heard all about the disgusting things a lot of them get up to behind their wife's back! I also have Korean girlfriends that go out looking for foreign men. If a women is stupid enough to get pregnant then may be she should go out and get an illegal abortion like a lot of women do here, just another problem that this society is not dealing with along with many Koreans not getting tested for diseases and spreading them! And I'm not afraid to put my name to my statement man up!

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    10. It is clear the the real reason for this type of reporting is jealousy and fear. The scapegoating continues because the last thing any good Korean wants to do is take responsibility. Better to pass it on to a foreigner. Virginia Tech, anyone?

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  5. Anyone want to have a stab at the nationality of the last poster? Haha. "The westerner is a guest in this country". Do me a favor. The foreigners are part of Korean society, like it or not, contributing by doing a job that is obviously in demand and paying taxes.

    As for anecdotal evidence, I saw a Korean killed some people in the States. Does that mean all Koreans are gun-wielding murderers?

    Are the Korean-Americans guests in America too?

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    1. Honestly, their is not a lot of foreigner who pay taxes here... I am one of those, by the way. The guy who kill in USA is not a Korean. Not more than i am :) Is a bit stupid i think to compare the violence in USA and here, don't u think? Hum..

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    2. How is comparing the two situations different? A couple of months ago a Korean committed mass murder. Virginia Tech wasn't that long ago. Before that it was Joe Son (yeah, the guy from Austin Powers). These are all Koreans doing horrible acts in America. They are different because...?

      You clearly aren't a native English speaker. It's all right to speak your opinion as a Korean. Your point will be valid either way, it'll just come across more genuine not to pretend.

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    3. Yankee always take this example, because u have only this one. Look, this guy grow up in USA, and did u think is an hazard if he do that there? Why USA is so violent? But that's another problem. Just tell me why Korean people have to be insulted just because they talk about this problem with foerigners? Koreans womans have to shut up, or be insulted as racist if they talk of this??? But this problem exist, and u know it. Hipocrisy is not a solution my friend.

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  6. I believe the video aired on May 28th, 2012.

    http://thinkdifferent.tistory.com/5439

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  7. Hey, thanks for doing the subs. I helped editing the original translation. Is it possible to add the original captions as well? Some of that stuff is over the top inflammatory ie foreigners seeing korean women as fast food. Also I noticed one mistake. 3 million won per month rent... I believe it was key money. Thanks again!

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    1. Howdy Anonymous,

      When I am finished teaching for the day, I'll throw up your original translation in this entry. Can't edit anything while at school, unfortunately.

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  8. I'd like to apologize to everyone who is offended by this BS from MBC on behalf of Korea. This country obviously has a looooooooooooooong way to go until it is rid of all this crap racism.

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    1. No need to apologize, on behalf of Korea^^

      None of my Korean friends are as close-minded as this. If they were, I wouldn't have stayed in this country for as long as I have. There are lots of great people here, and this lousy journalist isn't indicative of everyone.

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  9. Racism? where? they talk about a specific "race" here?I am sorry, i totally disagree. I am a foreigner, and is a shame how many of us disrespect the womanes here. And u all know it. Deny it, is a shame. And yes, here is Korea. People who come here, like me, have to follow the rules. Is the less u can do. R-E-S-P-E-C-T. If u don't like Korea, please go. Me, i am happy and honored to be accepted here. People are gentle, and i am shame sometime by the atitude of most foreigners. And please, talk about a problem, is not "racism". Or what, womens have to shut up here. I think people who have problem with this, is maybe because they have bad conscience? Please go to Itawon the Saturday night, and u will see how yankees theat women, and then u will see where is the real racism. Anyway, u know what i talk about. U have bad conscience, that it.

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    1. Hello Anonymous,

      It is true, guests in this country must follow Korea's rules. Itaewon is full of rowdy people of all nationalities. It is hardly fitting to single out the "Yankees".

      Also, you're writing isn't very clear. Next time, please think about what you're going to write and then post it after proof-reading.

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    2. I am soory for my bad English. But at least, i make the effort to use your language. Again, sorry if i was too hard. But did u think it will be nice, maybe, to make also article about problems related to foreigners, and not only "against" Korean's people? Objectivity is the key of all debates.

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    3. Oh, I have spoken out many times about idiotic foreigners harming the reputation of everyone else.

      I spend more time defending Korea, and criticizing my own cultural background.

      It's just that this entry has become the more famous one, so it has been everyone's introduction to the blog^^

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    4. As a man, Don't u ever feel shame to see how sometimes foreigners is with womans here, really? Can u deny this? U should make also an article about this problem. U should open more your eyes, and be more objective. Is not always the fault of Koreans. In all your blog is like that... Also, u should learn more about Korean history, cauz u make a lot of mistake. Be more humble, less paternalist, and u will win credibility i think.

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    5. As a MAN, I feel shame for what my gender has done to females all over the world. I do not restrict myself to merely men (foreign, and Korean) in Korea.

      Some of my friends in Korea are history teachers and history professors. I make regular visits to Korean historical sites. My book collection is over-flowing with Korean history text books. I often challenge my students to Korean history quizzes.

      I am not interested in earning credibility. I am not interested in being popular on the internet. I am interested in showing how life unfolds in Korea. Every country has a negative and positive to it. To ignore one for the other is being dishonest.

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    6. Well ok Zackary... But u should put a bit more oposite and objective facts before insult everyone of racist. I don't like this tv report, but Woman's have the right to be informed of dangers, like it or not. And dangers exist, like u know. Grow up. Korean womans are also humans, like u. This th shit schock me more less than some foreigners atitudes, the one u don't talk in your blog... So, if i follow your way, Korean womans who is beaten, rapped, abused, is more less schocking than this tv report...

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    7. I said MBC was being racist. Not everyone. There is a very clear distinction.

      Women do have the right to be informed. Where have I said otherwise? I am one of the bloggers in this country who continuously harp on women's rights, because they are sorely lacking.

      I have spent five years in this country. I have talked about many things in this blog. There are over 1100 posts I've written in here since 2007. I've talked about sexual abuse in Ansan, Suwon, Daegu etc etc etc.

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    8. So then stop complain, and put more love and respect in your articles. U can be critic and keep respect for people, even if they are "yellow", like u say. If u know so much about Korean history, then u should re-read your books. For ex, U say wrong fact about the east-japan sea, and some comparaison u do about Confort womens just make me shame for u. By the way, thanks for your response. Just i don't like neo-colonialist comments. If u have shame of your ancestor, then don't do the same with your blog.

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    9. As someone who hides under the name "Anonymous" I don't think you are in any position to dictate writing styles.

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    10. Yes but u never talk about the foreigner sexual abuses, because u are one of them. Is coward. Me also, i am foreigner, but if i have a blog like u, i talk first about this, before complain about Korean ways. Is simply education. U don't even realize u do neo-colonialism, and u spray tone of stereotype who give food to fashists.

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    11. Perhaps you should read my entire blog before commenting.

      Since you are so lazy, I've done the work for you:

      http://www.scroozle.com/2011/11/as-someone-nearing-start-of-their-fifth.html

      http://www.scroozle.com/2010/10/matter-of-experience.html

      That's just the tip of the iceberg. Perhaps you should inform yourself before speaking out.

      There are over 1100 entries in here.

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    12. Are u jocking? That's it??!? And u have good conscience now? U make me think of the guy who rape woman and say after "but she provoc me, look, she put a dress".

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    13. What about gay foreigners? I don't they would mistreat Korean women

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    14. It's so racist by saying foreigners it mean all races that are not Korean. If Korean women don't want to be treated this way by a few dump men that don't know how to treat women then don't go to those places and chase after these men! I'm also embarrassed sometimes by the way people act in Korea some are Korean and some are from other countries. The problem with this broadcast is that they are saying all foreigners are like this and that multicultural relationships are wrong. Tell that to my 2 year old son that he is the result of a Foreigner victimising a Korean!

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    15. Is this turd of a netizen actually serious? btw, if you want to come across as a foreigner, as you claim to be, please get your crap proofread by a foreigner. As a foreign man I do feel a lot of shame at how women here are treated, though to be perfectly blunt, it isn't the actions of the FOREIGNERS that make me feel shame, it is rather the action of my Korean brothers (we are all brothers as men). Take a look around the country you live in. Count, if you can count that high, the number of massage parlours, barber shops, singing rooms and business clubs in this city, in your neioghborhood, HELL, within a 300 meter radius of your house that cater to the sexual appetites of men. Walk around some of the popular drinking areas in Seoul (Jongro or Kangnam) and look DOWN at the tons and tons of cards advertising young women to have sex with. You could even collect them as trading cards. Did you ever notice how many love motels there are in Seoul? Surprise surprise, tons of sex worker trading cards around those. Must be a coincidence. Right? But perhaps all those love motels are there for foreigners. Yes, that must be the case, we know all those big black sedans pulling in and out are driven by foreign guys. There seems to be an 안마 in every building in neighborhoods such as Yeoksam. Ive never seen a country where the sex trade is so out in the open. Korean men have the GALL to criticize foreigners about treatment of women? Are you serious?! Finally, own up to being a Korean. No one is buying that you are anything but. Korean men are about the worst when it comes to how they treat women, and that makes the hypocrisy of this idiot netizen so absurd.

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  10. Would it be possible to sue MBC using the Korean Libel law? Also I believe the professor needs his graduating thesis and academic background thoroughly inspected. How can racist drivel be put forward on national television as professional opinion. This should shame every person to ever have graduated from the same college as him.

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    1. The professor's interview was pretty heavily edited, and had some fairly horrendous cuts. Who knows what he actually said?

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    2. Unfortunately under Korean defamation law the media is given broad latitude in reporting facts that they "reasonably" believe are true...so a defamation case wouldn't go very far...sorry :-(

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  11. Not saying this kind of behavior or views should be tolerated and accepted but this type of stereotyping happens all the time in America as well, though those views aren't likely to be shared publicly on TV because America has learnt its lessons through the Civil Rights Movements. People still say Mexicans are this way while blacks are like this and the FOBs are this way. Some people make jokes about those groups for fun while others truly mean what they say. Those stereotypes are worse in rural areas and Korea is just going through the pains of becoming a heterogeneous group from a homogeneous one. Korea has long been very protective and fearful of anything foreign having been invaded and taken advantage of by countries around them. The sad thing is that Koreans hate non-Caucasians and see them as less than desirable for hiring, befriending, and marrying. They are viewed as unattractive, lazy, of low intelligence, and more likely to commit violent crimes much like how Americans used to view blacks. For all you Caucasians, you still have it all right here. Koreans rather hire you than hire blacks, hispanics, and other asians even when you have same qualifications. I feel Koreans are confused about white people. Many used to and still respect and admire your culture, appearances, and love everything about you. That's why women throw themselves at you, pay money for you to talk to you, smile at you, travel to America, try to immigrate to America, study there, and just try to get as close to something white as possible. They are paying money to get double eyelids, bigger boobs, nose jobs, and applying lots of whitening cream on their skin to be like you. But another part of them still view you as a foreigner, outsider, so still someone that needs to be feared, watched, and control them when they get out of line. Koreans still have little experience dealing with non-Korean cultures, so when they see PDA, they get uncomfortable even though many Korean males may do it as well. Even though some Korean males behave the same, it stands out that much more when you do it because you just stand out in the sea of yellow. So, Koreans aren't stupider, meaner, or have no hope of ever becoming more of an open-minded group of people, it's just that we are going through what you went through in the 60s and 70s. It may be ugly, but it's necessary and it's going to take some time. People don't change over time. There's my two cents.

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    1. U don't event realize how your comment is full of stereotype and post colonial mind... Why did they have to change??? To look like US?!!? . I really hope not. Please be humble. We all have to learn from everybody. U also.

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    2. Is very scary what u wrote. U think Korea is in the 60-70. Is so pretentious. I think the contrary:
      Seoul is a city where woman can walk in the street in the night, etc... Is this the case in NY or LA? Where is the "progress" than u talk about? USA, for many thing, is the middle age. And u should be more humble. Is with this kind of paternalist atitude than everybody things that yankees are stupids...

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    3. "orea has long been very protective and fearful of anything foreign" if u know the story of this country, u will understand why...

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    4. "if i know the story of this country, u will understand why." Once again the kind of excuses that you would expect to hear from someone who can't stand realizing they are wrong from an international perspective. It's 2012, if Korea wants to be an international player then they have to start acting more international than xenophobic hate mongers who will scapegoat on foreigners.

      As for the "women can walk the street at night", rape and assault does occur in Korea, more frequently than is reported to be sure. The Korean culture of making the victim become the hated is one reason why many of these crimes go unreported.

      As a related note, in America two very high profile spree killers in the last few years were of Korean decent. Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people when he walked into Virginia tech and began shooting everyone up. Earlier this year One L. Goh killed 7 people at a nursing school. Did the American press blame "Violent Korean Psycos" and "Korea having an innately violent culture" for the killings. No. They were individuals not reflective on Korea as a whole. Korea needs to wake up and realize that the actions of a few don't represent the many.

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    5. Hipocrisy... I think u will to wake up first. Your country as the more hight urban one of the most hight crime rate IN THE WORLD, and u ave the pretentian to give lesson in all the world? Look at yourself first before judge the other. Your country have much more to learn from Korea, than Korea from a decadent "country" like USA. What is progress? Violence? I really wish girl can continue to feel free in public space here. In your country, i see too much bad things. I am sure u too. As for the example u take, again, this guy as not foreigner, he was US. And think why this crimes happen there and not here.

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    6. and again, Korea is on the top 3 more safe country in the world, like it or not. Is fact (just check wiki, etc...). I know is hard for u, but is like that. So again, is the most brutal and retarded country regarding violence who give lesson to the most sophisticate one... U are your past. And yes, is 2012. Let's try to make a world without violence and war (this gonna be dificult for some...).

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    7. They don't teach logic skills or even research skills in Korea, do they? Let's just keep this on point since the whole issue is about treatment of women.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2011/09/20/best-and-worst-countries-for-women-the-full-list.html

      That is a list of the best countries for women. Since you are attacking the United States it is interesting to note that the US comes in at #8 worldwide, while Korea comes in at 80 (EIGHTY).

      80, Republic of Korea
      Overall score (out of 100): 69.6
      Justice: 76.1
      Health: 92.9
      Education: 91.9
      Economics: 66.0
      Politics: 25.9

      Now, we can all freely admit that Seoul is a relatively safe city, and we are all very happy about that. Then again if you look here: http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-lowest-murder-rates.html

      Korea is not exactly in the top 10 as far as murder rates go, not even close to top 3, a statistic you must have made up. Then again, looking at the countries that are safest by this measure, many are not exactly ones you would like to live in. How about we stick to women again and see some other stats? rapes per capita?

      I did try to find out so I google and guess what I found:

      http://koreabridge.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8747-women-do-you-think-your-safe-in-korea/

      and I quote: Korea ranks 16th in the world.

      I suspect if we go through all the typical categories Korea will not even come close to top 3 in anything, but what we can tell from a few of the stats is that it is not really that great a place for a woman.

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    8. This is fairly common knowledge. Even Seoul has toyed with the idea of having separate subway cars just for women, so they can ride in relative safety.

      I've also written a few posts by how this is reflected in current Korean cinema.

      It's one of those things that is both acknowledged but ignored for the most part. The Suwon case a few weeks back is an example of how seriously the situation is handled [but at least there were resignations].

      For those interested in gender politics in Korea, I refer you to the excellent Grand Narrative: http://thegrandnarrative.com/

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  12. In all your articles, your aystematic paternalism betray a kind of Racism.
    Is probably hard for you too admit it. I am sorry, but your blog is full of clichés and Stereotypes.

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    1. Feel free to ignore any and all of it^^

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  13. To this guy; Anonymous31 May, 2012 6:12 PM

    Your view is something I have read several times; someone highlights negative behaviour they experienced purely, they felt, because they were non-Korean.

    Then in response, possibly the same person each time, trots out the following well-trained and well-rehearsed aphorism-aspiring defense;

    'well, you are white and are treated better than the non-whites.'

    How is it possible, that the patent absurdity inherent in this argument has not censored the writer before they assert it? Your point is not a defense, it is a further indictment and it undermines you.

    One cannot claim there is no injury in the first case if one argues that far worse to others is done in a second case.

    By all means assert 'a recent collective memory of violence,' 'a history of subjugation,' 'the product of a small country in a neighbourhood of bullies' or 'an ingrained fear of non-Koreans' but please stop maintaining that abuse should not be perceived because it is unevenly distributed.

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  14. I understand that u can't give a more long response. Maybe i was too hard, but your style schock me. Sorry if i hurt.

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    1. No, you didn't hurt me. I've been doing this since 2007 and have had many negative comments directed at me.

      It's part of life when one chooses to blog and upload YouTube videos^^

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    2. Is just that maybe, u should think before write in this way. Did u see some comment u provoke like "Korea is a shitthole without Yankees" and all that? Did u realize your responsability, after what happen here (and not so long time ago)? U probably not a bad guy, and i prefer imagine u are immature and ignorant. Womans are not just sex meat, and i hope u understand that here is not Thailand where u can do your fashist shit.

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    3. It's called freedom of speech, my friend. The person who posted that idiotic comment is free to do so in my blog. MBC is free to say what they want to about foreigners. You are free to criticize me and the other comments, just as we are free to criticize MBC.

      Of course, women aren't just sex meat. Foreign men just aren't sexual predators, either. That was the point of the video. That's what we are disagreeing over.

      There are many stupid foreign men in Korea, but they are not indicative of the tens of thousands of us here. Korean women should have to be afraid of entering relationships with foreign men. Many of my friends who are in multicultural marriages were deeply hurt by this video.

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    4. I am also into multi-cultural relation, and i don't feel hurt by this tv show. In contrary, i think is a good think to talk about this. U should do also. As for your friend, if they feel hurt, is because only the truth hurt...

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    5. Sureeeee you are dude. suuure you are. There is nothing truthful about this video. Its purpose is to increase racial tensions, which will have the negative side effect of having more Korean women suffer from verbal abuse on subways and other forms of public transport for merely sitting next to a foreigner. Need I remind you of the case of the Indian man whos female friend was verbally abused by an ignorant Korean man just because he was foreign. She was called everything under the sun.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/world/asia/02race.html?pagewanted=all

      Is this really the kind of Korea you want? Because this is what you are asking for if you think this is really the truth. Slander and defamation hurt more then just the people they are targeted against.

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    6. But again, u should respect that people work hard here before to make this country one of the most safe in this world. Nothing is perfect, but i NEVER see a woman here be assaulted because she was sitting next to me. Did u ever come here??? But what i see, me, is more and more things like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaMxy6FF4Lk&feature=player_embedded
      Keep your violent way of life out of here.

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    7. Dude, you are not fooling anyone. We *know* you are a korean netizen. The grammar and spelling mistakes you are making are rather unique to the Korean Education system. Try harder next time!

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    8. It's just a kid with rudimentary debating skills.

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  15. Zack, good luck debating with a Korean netizen. ㅋㅋㅋ

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    1. Merci beaucoup, Korean-I-assume-is-a-friend-of-mine.

      고마워요^^

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  16. Soy Espanol cabron :)

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  17. uh huh. sure you are. and by the way "yellow journalism" isn't a racist term. the "yellow" part doesn't have anything to do with Asians.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

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  18. And today's lesson is: don't allow anonymous comments.

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    1. I've often thought of this over the years, and I turned off the option in 2009-2010 when Chinese spammers were hijacking.

      It's a good crowd-control technique, but I've gotten some good comments from anonymous folks. Insults and criticisms hurled anonymously don't really pack a punch.

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    2. Also, the original FB video I uploaded faced a deluge of comments too. Much more than this blog entry.

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    3. Hehe. I will post anonymously because I don't have a blog account. There was a big thing many years ago about "the playboy" and how to pick up Korean women. I think that probably started the ill feelings toward foreign men who date Korean women.
      As a foreign female, I was not at all surprised that foreign guys dated Koreans. There were way more Korean females around for dating than there were Foreign females. I think that Western males treat Korean females with respect most of the time. Clearly if you wander through Itaewon in the middle of the night you will see less respectful characters but, that's not the majority. And, I think if Korean females wanted to avoid seedy foreigners then they can easily do so by A. avoiding seedy foreign bars B. Avoiding seedy foreign characters. It doesn't take much to walk away from someone who is a shithead. Save yourself for someone good. There are plenty of nice respectful guys in Korea to date, both Korean and foreign. And seriously, all girls have to kiss a few frogs. We don't all start claiming that we were "wronged" by ever class of male who we have had a bad feeling about. I'm not a victim. Come on Korean women, you don't have to be "victims of foreigeners" either!

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    4. The playboy incident you are referring to has been chronicled by another K-blog: http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/

      In many ways, we are still experiencing the fallout from that. If people really want to understand the root of the issue, I would recommend checking out Matt's blog.

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  19. Hey, i just wanted to say than i am sorry if i talk too "loud". I think that is not the country who receive u who have to change for u, is u who have to make the effort to addapt. If u can't, then go. No need to make 1000 articles where u vomit Korea. This is pure neo-colonialism. Put more love, that all i said. I was schock when u compare the Canadian soldier who die because of Japan, and the occupation of Korea by Japan. Are u nuts? Is like to compare Gantanamo & Holocaust. But finaly I prefer to put this on your ignorance. And for this specific tv show, what is the most schoking for u? The style of the show (very bad, true) or the fact that some Korean girls are abuse??? think about it. Just last month, i fight with a yankee soldier who wanted to beat a girl of maybe 16 year old who don't want suck him in the street. Their is also problems about it. Deny it is caution this fashists attitudes. Korea is one of the most nice place in the world, and i know what i'm talkin about. Respect & Love.

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  20. Korean men rarely want to talk about their endeavors when it comes to promiscuity, but are very open to discussing that of foreigners. I've lived in Busan for the last 5 years, and have only had a few notable occasions with Koreans showing their dislike of my companion choices. One memorable occasion I was with my girlfriend (now my wife) who is Korean at an Outback. Two Korean men were telling their girlfriends that "foreign men are only interested in sex" and that my beautiful, intelligent wife "had no self respect". I made sure to tell them how I felt about their opinion... maybe not in the best Korean, but they understood not to speak so loudly anymore. (it helps being 6'5'' and 280 pounds) Anyway, i find these Korean broadcasters have so much gall to discuss the inclinations of foreigners, as well as insulting their young female population (then again, from my time here it seems as if Koreans care little for that demographic as well as long as they are beautiful and stay quite), but bite their tongue on subjects about things like Korpino's http://iitr.jimdo.com/projects-계획/korpino-outreach-center/. I really wish Korea was more open to showing facts with citations or statistics... or maybe the general population is happy going along thinking kim chi cures Bird Flu.

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    1. I personally never had any problems when I was living in Daegu, or when I was visiting other cities (and of course Gangneung is just too kind to display such animosity, haha).

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  21. I care about this issue as much as I care about the big dump i just took.

    Actually, I care more about the dump.

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    1. I always love people say that don't care about a subject yet take the time to post an aggressive comment. It seems that you definitely have an opinion and care about this issue.

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    2. The truth is I love Korea too much to care about this

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  22. Needs more robots.

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    1. And Raptor Jesus, lol

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  23. This is just based on my personal experience and based on the people I've met in Korea, but I haven't met many korean women/foreign men relationships that have lasted more than 1 or 2 years. I only know of one couple in Korea that has managed to make it work (an Australian guy/Korean woman) and they have been married over 12 years in Korea.

    I've met a British guy who moved to Korea to try to make his relationship with a Korean women work but that ended after two years and he ended up going back to England. I know of another Korean lady that moved to Canada to get married but divorced after one year and returned to Korea. Another American friend dated a Korean lady for 2 years but that ended as well. I know of another Aussie friend who is currently having a tough time with a Korean lady and though I hope it works out for him, I don't think it will work for them in the long run. I also know of a Scottish man/Korean woman couple that divorced after three years. The reasons for most of the problems and break ups had to do with cultural or family reasons.

    In terms of my interracial marriage friends in the US who were born or raised in the US, most of them have made it work long time.

    In general, I think the cultural differences between countries (not so much racial differences) are just too much to overcome for many couples to make things last. It just seems to be better for everybody to stick with somebody from your own country/culture (which in itself is hard enough).

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    1. I, on the other hand, have met many folks in Korean/foreign relationships that have lasted for many years. Some of my good friends are married to foreigners.

      The YouTube community in Korea has a few notable examples of this.

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    2. My wife is from Korea,and we've been married for 36 years now.We know other couples like us that have been married nearly as long,too. It can be done.

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  24. Zack: The MBC broadcast about foreigners mistreating Korean women brought me to your page. I have lived in Korea since 1997. I have been married to a Korean woman for over 12 years and I have three interesting and precocious children. In my time in Korea I have met all kinds of foreigners from the saintly to the slimy.

    For example I once worked with a saintly fellow countryman of yours who spent two days in jail for breaking up a fight between a Korean husband and Korean wife in Bucheon. His landlady eventually came to his rescue. She made the wife go with her to the police station and explain exactly what happened. Obviously the wife’s story was quite different than then one she told to the police that night with her husband standing next to her.

    When I worked in a hagwon in Ilsan I also met a slimy fellow countryman of mine. This man was a handsome (my American girlfriend at the time thought he looked like Sting) sociopath who could charm a snake out of its skin. Although he routinely taught classes under the influence of what ever substance he was able beg, borrow or steal, job security was never an issue because in 1997 during the IMF crisis all that a hagwon really wanted was a warm slightly pinkish body. The owner, thinking a morning class might keep him sober, assigned this handsome sociopath a class early to mid 30ish Korean mothers to teach. This class would be his downfall. In the course of six months he managed to bed and brag about sleeping with half of his students. Then one morning, three Korean women are fighting in the lobby of my former hagwon. They had learned that the handsome sociopath wasn’t being faithful. He had also been seeing other women; other women from the same English class!

    Although the owner had overlooked his drunkenness and drug use, he couldn’t overlook three married women airing their dirty laundry in their native language in the lobby of his hagwon. The handsome sociopath was summarily fired.

    What do these experience tell us?

    These experiences tell us that there are saints and slims in ever society and culture. To be human is to have the potential to do either good or bad. Individuals make their own decisions, and those decisions, once they become deeds can then be judged. The problem with the MBC piece isn’t that I think that foreigners are incapable of doing what was described. I know that they are capable and that the deeds reported are probably true. The problem with the MBC report is that it doesn’t even try to be balanced. It is a piece of schlock journalism straight out the Fox News Playbook. The content isn’t really the problem, it’s the way the content was presented that makes it biased and thus racist in its intent.

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    1. Howdy Unknown,

      I agree with much of what you said. I agree foreigners are capable of acting like scum-bags in Korea, and I have called them out on it before.

      I, respectfully, disagree about the content not being a problem. They offered no evidence for any of their assertions, and then continued to make claims they had no hope of verifying. They called three women, and when the response didn't go their way, they resorted to a cop-out "most won't want to be honest". The story of a foreigner splitting with the girl's money and spreading HIV was a second-hand account by some random person. Could it be true? Possibly. But they didn't bother verifying it, they just let it hang and have the audience assume it's true. You can't just sit in front of a camera and spin a tale that fits a narrow narrative. For a vlogger, sure. For a journalist, hardly.

      If they had listed verifiable evidence, even if it slammed foreigners, I wouldn't have had a problem. Like the Canadian busted for drugs a few months back. That was a real case, and I had no problems with the reporting because there was proof the incident occurred.

      In any case, thanks for the measured response, and offering your opinion on the matter. Happy to have "met" someone who has lived here since the 90's. If you have a blog, I'd be very interested in reading about the changes you have experienced in Korea.

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    2. Zack: I'm not sure why I was published as unknown, since I signed in with my google account. I do have a blog, but I haven't written anything on it since 2010. http://brawnblog.com/current/ I mostly use the site to provide resources to my students, but it's there if you want to take a look.

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    3. Awesome, thanks for the link. It seems you have been quite busy in Korea with the academic world. It's also nice to see another teacher who connects with their students through online tools.

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  25. I think we have to put things in perspective. While the FB and other protests seem justified to foreigners in Korea who understand the context. Other people won't sympathize much especially when they see things like this:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18192375

    It's a matter of degree of racism, and people not in Korea or know Korea just won't get that worked up about Waegooks being generalized and maligned in the Korean media. Actually, in Korea, it's not even racism in most cases (just ignorance and xenophobia), whereas in other places like above link, it's serious/violent racism. This too shall pass...

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  26. I dont know what is a problem. There is nothing wrong with MBC and its programm since the truth is within it. It is also true that this country is a paradise for those who could not get the decent job but have to pay back a lot money. Dont deny it; arguing that you are not one of them doese not mean that most of foreigners are like you. How many foreigner can communicate with koreans? how many people are trying to learn Korean even though they get offered in this country? how many people are respecting this country? how mnay esl teachers did major in English and English Education? Well you argue that there many koreans who do not major in english or there are many koreans who abuse women in the way MBC portraits. However, that does not make sense. In order for your argument to make sense, there should not be a concept of "foreigner" in the world. Foreigner is just a foreigner. They are just outsiders, and this applies to all over the world. Do you think the foreigners (w/o citizenships) are treated totally equally with Canadian citizens? The funny thing is that the foregienrs in North Americans have to pay a lot of money while the expats in Korea rather take advantages. It is the life of foreigners; it is common that foreigners should be careful than the citizens. Why Korea should treat foreigners totally equally? Rather, this program shows just one of the truth in Korea. There is no reason MBC should not produce this kind of programms just of the fact that there are bad koreans as well.

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    1. 1- The truth must contain facts. Not "I know of a Korean girl who got AIDS from a foreigner".

      2- Korea is a great place to work, agreed. I love it here.

      3- How many non-Koreans can speak Korean? Perhaps you should check out the success of Talk to Me in Korean. There are more of us than you know.

      4- My job isn't to teach the science of the English language. It's to teach culture, etiquette, body language, history, and a plethora of other things grammar doesn't cover. My job is to make Korean students comfortable in using English.

      5- Not a sense of foreigner in the world? Does not compute.

      6-Foreigners have to pay more in North America. Agreed. North Americans also have to pay more in North America. There's a different standard of life in Canada than in Korea. Life in Canada is more expensive than life in Korea.

      7- Being treated equally is apparently important to Ban Ki Moon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/jan/11/tefl Foreigners aren't the only ones clamoring. Prominent Koreans have been as well.

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  27. As an educator that has invested my hard earned money and time into Korea to try and make it better for its own citizens. I was successful at creating a program based on critical thinking, (mutual)cultural understanding,
    creativity and of course most importantly language skills.

    I am appalled at the bigotry in Korea towards foreigners by the media. I am Canadian, and this kind of blatant divisionist reporting isn't tolerated. (bordering on inciting hate)
    I worked for 3 years with SMOE, and during the orientation was subjected many times to the idiot immigration official telling us that we were lazy, drunks and HIV carriers.
    despite this, I continued helping out my school and built a high end English program for my school.

    I felt I wasted my time helping Korean public education to advance. Korean officials are certainly determined to destroy their country's international image and make themselves look like REALLY stupid peasant farmers. Congrats!

    Korea needs to grow up and stop acting like a bunch of immature children.

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    1. Your first sentence sounds a little ethno-centric, and your last is a little hyperbolic.

      It's great that you were devoted to providing an excellent educational experience. Such teaching is a credit to our profession.

      However, Korea doesn't need to "grow up and stop acting like a bunch of immature children". There is a certain element of society that spreads this type of thing. They yield a lot of power sure, but they don't speak for everybody. Lumping everyone into the same camp does everyone a great disservice.

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  28. When I mean Korea, I mean the Korean media and the crooks that call themselves the Government.
    No it's not ethnocentric. I worked in their system and witnessed how defunct and back-asswards their education system was. Whenever a problem with a foreign teacher came up, we all had to wear it.
    With the media and government propagating nonsensical beliefs about foreigners, it does make Korea look like it is inhabited by peasants, which of course is NOT true....

    Yes, my opinion stands, I feel I wasted my time for the moronic education office known as SMOE. They cheated their own people out of a decent education by purposely undermining their public system for private enterprise.

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    1. Coming "into Korea to try and make it better for its own citizens" sounds a little ethnocentric or, at the very least, arrogant.

      Sorry to hear your time in SMOE wasn't the best of experiences. Hopefully your next job provides a more positive experience.

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  29. These responses are just the kind of thing that the people behind that MBC report want. They WANT you to feed into it to lend it credence. Trying to fight such a thing would only make it look like they hit a nerve, and they'll use that against you to the effect of something like "Look, foreign men want to fight for their right to screw Korean women!"

    But I do love the fact that none of the people here are willing to look at the perspective that there are a LOT of foreign guys out there with yellow fever who like to use Korean women. You know, cause such a thing is unheard of. Just remember, that racist tirade of a report is sensationalist, narrow minded journalism at it's pinnacle...and such a thing begs for your undivided attention. Be wary of the traps, fellas. A lot of you with your knee jerk reactions are only going to fan the flames.....boy am I so damn glad to be leaving at this point in time.

    I'm just going to come right out and say the obvious: Foreign men DO love Korean pussy. That's coming from a foreigner who at least has the balls to criticize the expat community. As much as Koreans don't want to take a good, long look in the mirror because they know they risk wounding their own egos and pride, foreigners aren't much far off either. A lot of us tend to think that we're better for their women than their own men are...which can only be judged on an case-by-case basis.

    We can't afford to feed into the negativity that Koreans direct our way. It's a vicious, never ending cycle, and the Korean media is a Hydra that refuses to die. You cut off one head, five more grow in its place, all the nastier than before.

    My view is pretty neutral. Koreans will always be a bunch of racist xenophobes, and foreigners will always be a bunch of lousy douche bags. It goes both ways, and neither group is willing to own their fair share of the shit pile.

    Adios, amigos!

    P.S. My regards to Scroozle, from SolidChamp of the Blu-ray forums!

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    1. "Koreans will always be a bunch of racist xenophobes"?

      As someone who's name is easily available through Busan Haps you'd might want to exercise a little more caution when slamming people. You've said some pretty dodgy things yourself over the years in different forums. It'd be a pity if your future Asian place of work were to find your attitude towards Koreans.

      If you have the balls to criticize the expat community (which does deserve criticism from time to time), at least do it under your real name.

      I understand you're the type of person who likes to instigate and stir the pot, but you're also a teacher. A little professionalism if you please.

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  30. Yes, it goes both ways. I know many a Korean male wanting some blond haired, blue eyed girl for a one night stand.

    Most of the foreigners I've met are decent people, though I too have met my fair share of scum.

    I cannot call Koreans all Xenophobes, because they clearly aren't all like this. However...

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  31. Thomas Bellmore. That's my name, and I have nothing to hide.

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  32. Nothing I have ever said was meant to "stir the pot". I can only speak from 5 years of personal experience. I can only say what I personally feel speaks true to the kind of people I've met here. I'm also not the only person who is of the mindset that Koreans are fairly set in their ways and won't be moved anytime soon. There is a very large dose of bigotry that permeates throughout the culture. Why do you suppose it is that foreigners can't get ahead here, professionally, other than to be used as "ESL pawns"?

    Again, I see both sides of this coin, and it's a vicious cycle, indeed. Anyone is welcome to approach me on the street and sit with me and have a cup of coffee, and after a good long discussion I'm sure they would agree that I am of an open mind, but am also not afraid to speak it.

    Again, that's Thomas Bellmore, and I have no reason to hide anything behind some anonymous Internet alias. Come and have a chat with me, and I will be glad to engage in civil dialogue with anyone who wishes it.

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    1. There, that's better.

      "There is a very large dose of bigotry that permeates throughout the culture." is different than saying "Koreans will always be a bunch of racist xenophobes".

      There are many foreigners in Korea who can have a successful professional life outside of the ESL market. Perhaps you only hung around the ESL folks while in Busan. I know non-Koreans in the IT field. I know non-Koreans teaching at university (no, not to teach English although they do conduct classes in it).

      Good luck to you and your wife in Taipei.

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    2. Much obliged, sir. I do realize, better than most, that words can be received rather strongly if not carefully selected. I stand firmly for two very sound principles: sincerity, and never backing down from your convictions. Anyone who speaks to me in person will see that I am nothing, if not sincere. I really do hope that we can all stop feeding into this vicious cycle of hate and finger-pointing. No one, NO ONE is above criticism.

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  33. I lol'd. It's so untrue that it amazes me. The other day I came, accidentally, in contact with a Korean girl on the internet. She pointed out why I was being rude (when I wasn't) and if I thought I was better than her only because she lives in Korea. Now seeing this information I know why she overreacted, since I had no idea of what was going on and so I quit talking to her. I was pretty clueless and shrugged a little bit.

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  34. I hope this doesnt detour people from going to Korea because honestly the only way that you can get rid of prejudice is to just go there and lead by example. be like hey man, im a foreigner, im cool.

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  35. I'm a korean guy living in australia. i left korea when i was very young so my memory of korea is about a decade out of date. BUT i can honestly say that koreans do tend to be very close-minded and i do believe there is a bit of xenophobia mainly due to the fact that korea's history is filled with being invaded by this country and that country. korean people just havent been able to get away from this past i guess, which is unfortunate for the foreigners living there now. also, yes, i agree the treatment of women in korea is not great.

    i will say one thing in their defence though. i do believe that foreigners have it a lot easier when it comes to finding feet in korea than koreans in other countries. in australia for example, international students pay astronomical amounts of money just to go to school and university (on average, high school fees for international students is like $20,000 per year whereas for locals its about less than $1,000) and also the immigration laws are extremely strict so as to limit the number of foreigners coming in (it took me 11 years to get permanent residency and wouldnt have got it if i didnt find a business sponsor, still havent even got my citizenship even though i speak better english than korean). my cousin is an australian citizen, and she went to korea and got a job at a university teaching microbiology literally straight away because the university had a policy on hiring at least one foreign lecturer per campus to promote multiculturalism. so my point is that i think there is a greater inflow of low life foreigners to korea than lowlife koreans to other coutries like say australia where the immigration laws are a lot tougher. in other words, i think its easy for foreigners who have no education, no money to just come to korea and get rich and go back. and this of course, creates a bad image for the rest of you good folks unfortunately. maybe if the laws were a bit stricter, the impression of foreigners in korea would be better but who knows.

    PS: korean journalism is absolute junk. i am actually amazed these people are allowed to broadcast on national tv. as you said, no verification of data. not just tv but internet news is shockingly bad in korea.

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  36. Well yeah, actually. Would you like Canada to be 99% non white, where the founding fathers cease to exist?

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  37. Exactly. These are different types of racism, the east asian ones use easily discounted misinformation and even childish ignorance, playing on outdated but ultimately harmless stereotypes... the ones in white countries are far more prevalent, "in your face" and of course we have the white superiority groups and members who campaign for banning mixed race relationships and getting rid of nonwhites to keep the country clean. And of course the violent killings and assaults of nonwhites. This is all out in the open, all in the mainstream. Whereas in East asia you have old folk being racist, big deal, the women still flock to white men, whereas in white countries you have just as many white women as white men who are racist.

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  38. You should go back to your own white country for a while. Massage parlours and personal escorts are ten a plenty. Even private residential houses in quiet "family friendly" streets have been raided in the past to be whorehouses. The white police give the impression they are doing something, but these are cropping up all the time whilst they raid maybe once every 3 months in the area. The "owners" are white men, who import foreign women (a lot of them are east asian women). They know they are illegal, they know they have been misled and don't want to do it... but still work them, seeing 20 men a day.


    To think you have the GALL to criticise korean men about treatment of women?

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  39. What's interesting about the article is how ethnocentric the piece is...it's even from the NY Times, where white America has provided similar and many times, far more extreme treatment to "foreign" men (ie. American born blacks, asians, latinos).... how many injuries and deaths have resulted in a Korean shouting racist terms at a foreign man with a local woman? Now compare that with in white countries. The difference is startling.

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  40. Er, obviously you weren't in America.... on campuses everywhere there were stories of how people should be wary of asians, much like they are of muslims since 9/11.

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  41. Exactly. They need to focus more on abusing the men, not their own women. That is the key difference between the resistance of interracial relationships in white countries and far eastern ones - the former focuses on "the foreign man" - with a "you made a mistake,but we can help you" tone for their white women - whilst in east asia they slander the women, which is a bad strategy because of course it will make them even more likely to be with white men. It also means that in white countries you have white men and women alike who categorically will not go with nonwhite men - because they believe in the bad press given to them - whilst in east asia the men and women are divided.

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  42. Have you considered it isn't your place to talk about women's rights in Korea, as a foreign male? Of course you will be met with a stone wall. I can imagine campaigning for greater east asian representation in politics - I was laughed all the way out the room.

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  43. Korean women latch on to foreign men in hope of forming some sort of relationship and leaving their country. These women know what they are doing, so don't cry wolf! They aren't innocent women some are prostitutes. I have read so many articles on how they use sterotypes of U.S. African Americans using black face and talking about black women that I have no sympathy for them. SHAME ON THEM! AND KOREAN WOMEN TAKE RESPONSBILITY FOR YOUR SEXUAL BEHAVIOR.

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  44. Wow this is really insulting imo. I'm not too surprised though considering other incidents I've heard about with race in Korea. Wasn't it MBC who got in trouble twice for doing black face? The first time they pretty much forced an idol (Gikwang of Beast) to do it. It was told that when idols go on a show like that they don't have a lot of freedom to say no to things because of the whole respect your elders thing there that gets used a lot. I believe at the time his group was still new to the Kpop scene so it would have been bad for him to start a fight with MBC. There was a huge uproar over it and I believe MBC apologized on everyone's behalf who was involved but they went and did it again. From what I've been told from people who know more about Korean culture than I do is that Korean guys love white women. I bet they'll never do a documentary about that, would they?

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  45. I think so too and I'm curious though too if this is the majority of how a population thinks? Korea has a good size population. One thing I've learned with propaganda like this is what usually happens is it's a minority and they have the microphone to make it seem like the majority.

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  46. I am from Botswana, and was thinking of going Korea. but it seems as if I will have a big sticker on my head because I am a foreigner, I come from a country where you sweat and get no sleep to get a flight ticket out. and everyone from in the country is treated with respect. we don't label and stare at ppl, my country was attacked by South Africa before, and over 20000 people were killed and my country only had 1.2mil ppl at that time. my issue is why do I get the label foreigner and not African atleast or mix kid because that is what I am. we call ppl by their nationality, I think as human beings we all should respect those who respect us, and not just place labels on others.

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  47. As an Asian in a white country - the difference being born and bred there - we suffer the same sort of slandering. Not to the extent of white media covering it, but it is always implied, and of course we have to deal with the widely accepted regardless of truth stereotypes about us. It is also understandable, in a country where the majority of interracial relationships are of white men with their women rather than vice versa.... same applies in white nations, always white men predominantly with asian women, not the other way round.


    Let's not forget the first hand experiences of white men - as a minority in another country such as Korea, dissing the native men, so that asian women would flock to them (which they already do anyway), whilst cases of asian men with white women result in white men childishly trying to interfere with their relationship and point out to the white woman that they're available to them... overwhelmingly, white men want to "spread their seed" whilst wanting white women to only be with them, and so they gear their attitudes this way.

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  48. what a sexist view to take.... yes, none of them are victims.

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  49. how ironic, that white men do exactly this when they see a white woman with a nonwhite man...

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  50. bit of a coincidence, but figures released show that a massive 20% of women have been a victim of sexual assault since 16 in Britain...473,000 women are preyed upon every year, of which 95,000 of them are rapes...

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  51. Hmm, I'm going to Seoul for university exchange this year and this has made me really want to reconsider it. I'm a blonde, white female from Australia and it kind of upsets me to think I'm going to step foot in a country and already be labelled with negative connotations. I just hope this isn't a majority view.

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  52. Dirty Harry Kuntz15 March 2013 07:56

    Not surprised that Korea hasn't changed in the 19 years since I was there. Racist xenophobes galore. Take my advice. If you go there know it's going to happen and ignore it if it's not in your face. But if it gets in your face don't hesitate to give it back. That's why it helps to learn a little Korean.

    I lived in Japan for much longer than in Korea and there is a reason I spent 8 months in Korea and 16 years in Japan. Japan is much more subtle. If someone didn't like me they usually kept it to themselves and I was fine with that. But if someone ever got in my face I'd give it back to them in their native language. You should just brush it off and expect it's going to be there and just ignore the ignoramuses that Many Koreans are. Make friends with the nice ones only. Be yourself and don't go nuts and do stupid things that will just make Koreans hate you more. That's the problem is the demographic of the young just out of uni types are young dumb and full of cum and make a bad name for others. It happens not only with the US Military guys but with the out of Uni ESL teachers as well. It's not the education level but the age group. Let the Koreans be the 14 year olds. Try to maintain a higher standard and the girls will probably respect you much more too.

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  53. Dirty Harry Kuntz15 March 2013 10:40

    I see Korea hasn't changed much. They still are feeling so inferior that they have to push this xenophobia forward. Nice people. NOT!

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  54. I understand that there are foreign men who do this to Korean women, but there are KOREAN men who do this to foreign women as well. I've experienced it in Korea, and I KNOW women in AMERICA who have been impregnated by Korean men who, conveniently, skipped the country afterwards. Being a foreign woman interested in Korean men, it is not fair that the same type of behavior is exhibited to us as though all foreign women want is sex and not a real relationship. It's not a foreign man thing. It's a MAN thing--even Koreans.

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