1) In Which Scroozle Almost Gets Suckered Into Attending a ‘Cult’ Activity
2) Mannam- A Follow-Up Investigation
3) Mannam Part 3- The Unintended Trilogy
4) 2012 Shinchonji Olympiad
5) Is Shinchonji Actually Using Mannam to Promote Itself?
6) Mannam- The Statement and the Apology
7) Mannam, Shinchonji, and the World Peace Initiative (WPI)- Thoughts Around the Web
8) The Curious Case of the Disappearing Article
9) Shinchonji Sincheonji Shinchunji 신천지
10) The Book of Shinchonji
11) 24 Questions asked by Samsung’s Lee Byung-chul, Answered by Shinchonji’s Lee Man Hee, and rebutted by Crimson North’s Scroozle
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It all began on a weekend in June. After missing the Dano Festival last year, I was determined to make it out there in 2012. I had fully intended to make a video of the activities and upload it to my YouTube channel for all the world to see.
So, I braved the crowds and did exactly that.It all began on a weekend in June. After missing the Dano Festival last year, I was determined to make it out there in 2012. I had fully intended to make a video of the activities and upload it to my YouTube channel for all the world to see.
While I was capturing video footage, and photographs, I was approached by a couple of young ladies. They spoke to me in English. Initially, I was hesitant to speak with them due to past experiences. Normally when I am approached by English-speaking Korean women, they belong to some sort of religion and desperately want me to join their congregation. It happens without fail.
I decided to play it cool because I felt guilty for prejudging them. After all, June was a big month for this blog. It broke MBC’s The Shocking Reality About Relationships With Foreigners. I had blasted MBC for prejudging all foreigners based on the actions of a few. When the girls approached me, I was doing the exact same thing. Hence the guilt trip.
These girls didn’t have any religious topics to discuss though. They were asking people to sign a message for South African children suffering from AIDS. They were going to have a big concert event in Seoul and invited me to attend. Having just been to Seoul, I declined the invite.
Once they left, I continued with my Dano Festival video-making. I crossed the river to check things out on the opposite side. While I was there, I was interrupted by another group from the same organization. I told them I had already signed a message. They laughed at that, and we discussed how long I had been in Korea. Then, they asked for my cellphone number. An alarm bell sounded off in brain. In May, some religious guy called my school to read me a Bible passage. He too had wanted my cellphone number, but I refused to give it to him, and gave him hell for calling.
Again, though, I didn’t want to think they were religious recruiters. They never gave me religious pamphlets.
They seemed to be employing the same tactics that the Jehovah Witnesses did, though. Purposefully walking around for foreigners, and ignoring everyone else. That was alarm bell number three, and it didn’t escape my notice. Instead, I gave them my KakaoTalk ID, which is an IM-like app. That way they could contact me via the app, but they wouldn’t have my number. I bid them farewell.
I again meandered around the festival. I was interrupted again, but this time, it was a news crew that wanted to get my opinion. When I finished with the camera crew, I started thinking about heading back home. While I made my way to where I thought the taxis were, I bumped into the volunteer group. This time I was introduced to a girl who was from one of the universities in Gangneung. We exchanged cell numbers.
I had decided to take a chance.
The two of us sent messages throughout July and August. Nothing overly serious, just small talk. She would sometimes invite me to join her group’s events, but they never jived with my schedule. I eventually apologized for continuously declining her offers, and asking her to understand how busy I was teaching 947 students every week. She told me it wasn’t a problem.
Last week she told me she was writing some letters to orphans. Gangneung has an orphanage, and she said her “people” would go volunteer. Ah hah, I thought. “Her people” must refer to a religious group, but when I asked what she meant, she just said her “volunteer group”. She was going to go this Saturday and asked if I wanted to come along. Biting the bullet, I told her I was interested, but I wasn’t interested in joining any churches. A reply came, telling me her group wasn’t religious.
How could I refuse? I would go volunteer at an orphanage and help people like I did in Daegu. It seemed like a nice deal. She even sent me a link to her group’s website. I finally had a name to call it.
Mannam.
With all the good work they seemed to do, I was incredibly surprised I had never heard of them. I was optimistic, and even asked some of my friends here if they wanted to come join me volunteer at the orphanage. I could see this becoming a regular thing on the weekends for myself.
But then today came.
One of my fellow blogging buddies posted a link on his Facebook wall. It caught my eye, because it was about Mannam (만남). Here was an organization I heard nothing about until the day before, and there was already a news article on it? The article wasn’t too positive. Its claims seemed to be a tad over the top. Ties to a cult?
What?
So I decided to do a bunch of self investigating. I stumbled across some blogs from foreigners who attended Mannam’s events. There were also threads for me to go through. My unease began to grow as I read through each entry. What was this thing?
Mannam on the surface seemed to be a benign volunteer organization. Yet, it had a controversial religious leader as an honorary president. A man who believes god himself came down and anointed him to explain divine truths. A man who had at his fingertips a massive amount of followers.
I also read reports where they intentionally stalked foreigners to have them sign up for their events. And when they went to orphanages, they would teach the kids their slogans and hand gestures (rather than the v-for-victory sign, they use a gesture that looks like you’re forming a hand into a gun). That screamed “indoctrination” to me.
Eventually, I knew I had to reach my contact through KakaoTalk. I had to tell her my unease, and my desire to not affiliate myself with such a group. She told me that Mannam wasn’t connected with Shinchonji (신천지), and they were open to people of all faiths and races. When I brought up Man Hee Lee (이만희), the guy behind the Shinchonji religion, she admitted he was a member, and they did get his opinion on things.
Still, she was adamant they were not part of the religion.
At this point I was angry at myself. I was angry at being too polite and not going with my earlier suspicions. I was angry at inviting my friends to join me . I was angry at the Mannam organization for not being upfront with their intentions.
They have a motto, which you can find on their website. Their motto goes: “when light meets light there is victory!”. That in and of itself sounds religious. Perhaps that isn’t enough to sell you on their affiliation with Man Hee Lee’s “religion”? How about we take their motto, and make it a url?
http://www.lightmeetslight.com [Edit: This link is now dead. It was killed after I blogged about it]
Wow. Look where it takes you. Wow. Look what it says about the man running the show.
I pointed that out to my contact nearly two hours ago, and didn’t get a reply.
To sum up how I feel: I am disgusted.
I am disgusted there’s a group of people trying to recruit foreigners for PR purposes. I am disgusted that it’s a front for a “religious” organization. I am disgusted they go to orphanages and teach the children the slogans, which lead to the Man Hee Lee’s webpage. I am disgusted at myself for nearly giving them more legitimacy.
Luckily though, I managed to put a stop to it before I met them in person. While I am sure the individual people are nice enough folks, they are working for a group and doing things I do not condone.
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1) In Which Scroozle Almost Gets Suckered Into Attending a ‘Cult’ Activity
2) Mannam- A Follow-Up Investigation
3) Mannam Part 3- The Unintended Trilogy
4) 2012 Shinchonji Olympiad
5) Is Shinchonji Actually Using Mannam to Promote Itself?
6) Mannam- The Statement and the Apology
7) Mannam, Shinchonji, and the World Peace Initiative (WPI)- Thoughts Around the Web
8) The Curious Case of the Disappearing Article
9) Shinchonji Sincheonji Shinchunji 신천지
10) The Book of Shinchonji
11) 24 Questions asked by Samsung’s Lee Byung-chul, Answered by Shinchonji’s Lee Man Hee, and rebutted by Crimson North’s Scroozle
Thanks for the mention :) The whenlightmeetslight.com website doesn't seem to go anywhere - did it go somewhere or redirect for you?
ReplyDeleteOops, sorry.
ReplyDeleteI fixed it.
Subtract the "when", and you have the real URL.
Wow, good to know this stuff! Not terribly surprised given the plethora of Red Neon Crosses that are pretty much like streetlights because there are so many of them that I can see here in Uijeongbu. It does lend to my observation that Korea is looking for a new identity. The old one is changing with the influx of westernization/capitalism, and so there seems to be a deep need to belong to 'something', religious groups often are the first to grab hold of someone who is 'lost'. I've stumbled across some readings on the Buddhist group SGI, that were less than flattering. I don't have any problems with Buddhism itself, but the group/leader I do have some serious questions that will most likely never be answered save for some traveling to another country and hopefully find very old police records. I'm sticking with my gut feeling on that one. Seems that as Canadians, we tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, even when our guts scream otherwise ;)
ReplyDeleteWow, I'm glad you figured it out before you got sucked into going to the orphanage trip! How disturbing!! I haven't heard or don't remember being approached by anyone from this group before, but I have been harassed by other cultish groups in Seoul, so its not surprising at all. I watched the English news clip from Man Hee Lee's visit to the US, the guy is out of his mind!
ReplyDeleteThat's the thing. I can only be impolite if I have substantiated evidence, dammit!
ReplyDeleteI've been reading a lot of blog posts about how active they are in Seoul and Daegu. I haven't heard anything concerning your region.
ReplyDeleteBut hey, if they have a chapter in Gangneung, then anything's possible.
I'd say the search for a new identity was started earlier, by Japanese imperialism, the Korean War, and rapid modernisation. I totally understand why a lot of Korean people would be looking for something to fill the void, but what I don't get is what makes someone like Lee Manhee or Moon or JMS or Lee Jaerock or any of the countless others suddenly declare themselves God on Earth and start extorting money from followers.
ReplyDeleteBecause there are hundreds of thousands willing to buy into it. If there's a market, there will always be opportunists to exploit it.
ReplyDeleteIt also ties into historic claims of divinity. 이만희 says his family spans 500 years, into the Joseon royal lineage. The Joseon kings (and the previous dynasties) always made sure to chart their lineage back to the founding demi-god of Korean civilization. It gives them the legitimacy needed to lead people.
Great to read that! I think I may have been the first person to discover the lightmeetlights connection^^ Nice to see it getting around! Loved your post about the scam orphanage. Brilliant work. Cool if I share your links on my cult site? www.jmscult.com/forum Cheers!
ReplyDeleteBy all means. Do as you'd like.
ReplyDeleteThanks... and here's a good one. I'm not sure if it's a real Mannam video, or someone taking the piss^^
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K_JxHQo4w0
About the orphanage connections - mislead like so many others?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.vocfm.co.za/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=6093:al-noor-fraud-claims-cleared&Itemid=131
Any thoughts? no supporting, not disputing - sharing ...
From the article: "An official from the Department of Social Development said Madien was however guilty of not complying with regulations in the Children’s Act, in terms of the administration of the orphans at the facility.
ReplyDeleteDepartment spokesperson Melany Kuhn said Al Noor was not an orphanage per se, but a “temporary place of safety for children”."
Mannam has been calling it an orphange and accepting donations for the orphans: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2012/08/177_107341.html
This is really interesting, I told my friends about the
ReplyDeleteconnections with a cult and they laughed it off. They joined Mannam soon after
arriving in Korea and had many positive things to say about the organization.
Apparently the origins are a bit dubious, but Mannam International is completely
separate now from its cultish beginnings.
I'm no expert, I admit I never even attended any volunteer meetups or
activities. But from what my friends said, it was just a way to give back (in
their case they mostly focused on environmental issues) and meet lots of foreigners. There was never
a mention of this so called leader, or any pressure to attend or recruit.
Anyway I'm not saying you're wrong but if you would have visited the orphanage
I doubt you would have been indoctrinated.
Wow, ok after reading the other parts of this post I now have my doubts... I think my friends were just oblivious to all of of this. That being said the whole process was harmless. They met lots of people, got to help out the environment and are now back in their countries of origins none-the-wiser....
ReplyDeleteShould I show them this blog post?
Your friends probably did a lot of good work volunteering with them. There isn't any doubt about that. Ask them if they posed for any pictures, and if they were asked to do the hand sign. Mannam likes to use those photos on their sites, and Mannam efforts have been claimed by Shinchonji (particularly in America).
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mannamintl.org/volunteer-events.html
Thanks for this - I was at an event where Mannam had a table, giving out tickets to the World Peace Festival. Fortunately, I don't yet have a phone, so didn't give them a number...
ReplyDeleteHas anyone read Haruki Murakami's book IQ83. This sort of sounds like the cults in there...I haven't finished the book though.
ReplyDelete(and yet not sending any of the donation money raised to South Africa)
ReplyDeleteI've been following this development for some time. It has been fairly surprising.
ReplyDeleteWell said Zackary.
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